Dear Devs and fellow gamers,
I have done my share of forging as anyone has here. And I was keen to the idea of forging or refining unique items. I prepared a list for when we max the new levels, to be able to find items that can be forged in the way to prepare the original items at least. However we discovered here, that a unique has the ability to get the set of perks on a base given value, depending on how good, that unique is. To make sure I am understood, if a CD boots of Helen, have a value of 65k to 75k, then that base perk will tell you the ability or greatness of the unique. This can also work with health on the boots, but who cares about a few more thousands of health ? In any case, both are indicators of how well your unique is, once you use a 5* titan to max your unique on your level.
So when we found out we do not have to max forge in order to transfer values on uniques, I personally loved it. Because it’s hustle free, especially getting 5* titans to dismantle. However, after looking closely at values on uniques, they are pretty lame… By comparing an item that you make your self, and a refined unique, it’s basically a no-brainer for me. It’s not worth it. Either you refine once or twice.
These are arguments based on double refined uniques, works for all levels, values are actual for level 131.
Uniques are rare, you get to forge them on every level and keep the perks. That’s a hugely misleading concept we have developed from the regular “upgrading” unique. Now you need to make a new dismantle, with the same values in order to “upgrade” it. If you don’t, you will end up replacing the perks you added, with the dismantle perks. You also need a gold 5* titan (double refined), to keep all the values going up, instead of down. So the process is painful, costly and time consuming. You can’t possibly do it every level, while the normal upgrading, was fun and needed, if not every level, every a few. It’s basically making it each time from scratch, when on a normal unique, you just have to dismantle a 5* titan.
They are “forever”. What is that? Like for me, this is possibly the 2nd time I am going to max my level at 145-150 or so. Which means, a unique to be refined, 2 times, is not so important anyway. It’s too expensive to refined them more often, while a base unique just needs a 5* titan. And the levels dont seem to be increasing so often anyway… A double refined normal item, will just serve the same purpose in this respective.
If you had the option to just upgrade refined uniques with any gold 5* item without losing or changing the perks, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Points 1 and 2, would be cancelled… because that would be the major advantage, even if there are not so many added levels… you could possibly do it while you are also leveling up from 120 to 130 or 130 to 140… because those 5* gold items… wont be any good after 5-10 levels… what better way to use them, than to “upgrade” your unique, as we are used to. @Madlen, @CaptainMorgan, @Chris
Having said that, the real argument are the values you get on your unique or any other item.
- They have good unique perk values. Not entirely true. The original value of the perk, is pretty good on some cases (like Perseus shield). Some uniques are great and game changing, or making your strategy easy (easy to forge, and fit everything together), others, not so much or not for everyone. But there are also good uniques, which should not be refined in my opinion.
i) The base value of a perk can be close to 70k lets say for Helen’s CD boots or Cadmus vest. CD of 70k? What’s that? Yes on a unique position (item), but if you just refine a vest or boots with CD, you can get 60-63k CD plus the original perk on your item (say a resistance), and you increase your health. Better yet, you can refine a ring and get more than 75-80k (just saying). The first refining also, is painless… just wisdom lying around. The only small problem, is 5* titans to get that max value of 63k…
ii) Why would I refine these two uniques? To get my CD lower, and have to refine 1-2 more items so I can reach my “target” of 75% for most players? What stops me to take a vest, and just refine it, every 2-3 levels, instead of having to use a silver/gold 5* to “upgrade” the refined unique? Or just leave it as it is? Maybe you can refine Helen boots if you have good cape and rings? Yes that’s an option, and it’s worst than taking normal boots and adding CD to them.
iii) Why would I refine these two uniques, to add values of 40k for a regular perk or 20k for a cursed perk ? When I can easily add 50-53k and 25k respectively for a 3 perk and a bit lower for the 4th perk (35-40k and 17-18k). I mean if you want CD on your unique Athena shield, you can get pretty much 40k if you double refine it… and 50k minimum if you add it on a regular shield, which by the way wont have petrify on it, but probably something more “commonly used” by most players.
iv) Perk already on unique. Are you kidding me? Not only you can add a higher value in non-cursed perks, but now you can find them on any item or any hero… all I have to do is pick a good perk on a vest or boots, high base values so I can start forging it… it’s not so bad if you are planning something now… it can be hard if you are looking for specific vest with say fire resistance only, at max value. But assuming you will all go from 131 upwards, hold on to your horses until you find your vest, boots, shield, cape, rings… and plan it out… there is no way you wont get to the EXACT same result with refining… either way you put or find perks on your original items…
v) Even the base value of the unique is lower than a double refined item… Cadmus vest goes to 152k and Helens Boots are 101k… You can get those values, with a max green, max forge with just a single refining (not double).
vi) The cost… Assuming you don’t max forge, the cost of refining a unique, is just the amount you pay after you made the gold 5* titan (double) refined, which is 10 million and 3 more days. To be fair, if you want good values on your gold 5* titan instead of refining a unique, you will need to max forge, which will drive your cost up and use more items… But you can easily counter that in any way you find fit… green/blue and perhaps purple max forge is not that big a deal… If you are going to be making a really good item, for 1 year of playing, then you don’t have to worry about that hero’s item again. I don’t suggest to do this for all your heroes… but if you use your 3 heroes to war so often, a extra refining to add CD when you can max forge, therefore using that refining to add frostbite, or stun, or reflection… gives you much more efficiency and resource spending/planning for other refinings.
vii) You are stuck with the main perk… exactly, you can add anything you like on a regular item, get one of the 3 you want and start building. Who actually always use Perseus boots or Prometheus vest ? 1% or even 10% of players here? As opposed to 90%+ that use Perseus shield or the two CD uniques?
viii) You cant go back yet, on a unique. You can’t remove the perks… if you regret losing the value of your unique perk, that’s it… you need to find a new one. You can change the refined perks, but that’s it.
ix) You can’t use a unique, other than re-curse it… which will soon become needless, as most players will have all the uniques. Plus, it’s a big gamble anyway… luck/random may be in your favor. Unlike the regular item, which can be used at least for now to forge, or refine a new item or a unique.
I was thinking of refining a couple of uniques, not the above mentioned ones. Not the stun boots, or the demolition uniques… perhaps Hercules cape (frostbite) or Ajax damage vest, I double refined Cadmus unique shield - can have a better option with something else, perhaps some of the leadership items… but now, I don’t think any of these are worth it at all…
What are your thoughts?